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Dubiel History
Carp, Yokel, or worse…
 
Of course I couldn’t leave things alone. That’s when I found, as many of you did, the hypothesis that our last name had the ignominious original meaning of “stupid person,” or, as I have also seen it, “idiot,” or “simpleton.” The scholar who advanced this brief meaning will admit that he does “off the rack” interpretations,  And he added, in a personal correspondence with me, that if I wanted more I would have to do “tailor-made” research. Well, that’s why we’re here. 

The scholar I am alluding to has apparently advanced  the “stupid person” interpretation enough that it has worked itself into the Dictionary of First Names, the reference source that Ancestry.com cites when they list the “stupid person” interpretation on a Google search of Dubiel. Let’s examine what’s going on here. 

The authority that many of the Polish genealogical scholars rely upon is Kazimierz Rymut and his Nazwiska Polakow (The Surnames of Poles.) Rymut and his followers defend themselves by alluding to “onomastic principles.” This refers to the techniques used in searching out the meanings of proper names. “Onomastic science” is not a phrase that should intimidate anyone. Searching for the meanings of surnames in particular is at best imprecise. The point is that the “onomastic sciences” advance a number of hypotheses. Let the best one win. These hypotheses are not---cannot be--- subject to anything akin to scientific validity. It’s not the game we are playing, so to speak. 

The Rymut interpretations are based upon meanings that were given to a name---- dubiel as a noun in this case.  Whether dubiel meant a simpleton ---or a carp (fish)--- this was  a meaning associated with the word at a given period of history. It is an associated meaning that existed long ago, appearing as early as 1424.  It isn’t the original meaning . Nor does this answer questions regarding where the word came from. 

Associated meanings of words are meanings that a word has picked up through the course of history. Many words have changed meaning dramatically. In Middle English (1100 to about 1500) the word fret referred to the voracious way that animals ate (as fressen in German still does). The contemporary meaning “to worry” came about only in time. A villain once meant a peasant who was coarse, a brute. And in more recent times we have the word gay. 

Interestingly enough, Rymut himself offers a possible real meaning for the name, stating that it likely came from the German “Dubel” or “Dobel, with  umlauts over the u and o, respectively. This meaning was a “peg, plug, or dowel.” Back to the world of woodworking. Why isn’t this offered as the original meaning of Dubiel? Given the number of migrations that occurred in the middle ages, and given the interaction between the Germanic and Slavic people throughout history, this hypothesis seems primary in the investigation of the name.  

I’ll cut to the most significant item regarding these hypotheses. The scholar with whom I had been corresponding (note that I am not using his name) suggested that I write to Krakow and ask the supreme experts there. (After all, he didn’t do “tailor-made” research.) So I did make the inquiry. 

I wrote a letter to Prof. Aleksandra Cieslikova at the Instytut Jezyka Polskiego Pracownia Antroponimiczna in Krakow. My inquiry regarding the meaning of our name was answered in a letter dated October 1, 2002.  Prof. Cieslikowa and her two associates confirmed the following: Dubiel is a very old surname, recorded in 1424 and again in 1601. It came from an old Polish nickname Dubiel which in turn came from the common noun dubiel which meant  “a species of fish (a mix of carp and crucian carp).” In the 16th century it also seemed to mean a “woodcutter, trunk, then also simpleton, yokel.” The professor then adds that this meaning was used in only some Polish dialects. It never entered standard Polish. She  then goes on at some length to underscore that Dubiel became a hereditary name and lost all its meanings. Professor Cieslikova also adds the following: “The stem Dub- in Dubiel can also come from some east Polish dialects, where it refers to the east Slavic word dub “oak.” (My underline.) 

Please note: there is no mention of “stupid person” or “idiot.” The first meaning she offered was that of a carp and then woodcutter. Okay, it makes sense that some if not most woodcutters were probably yokels in the 16th century.  

The cavalier accounting of our name as we have seen here and there is less than complete. The one sentence meaning doesn’t tell the whole story, not even near it. Associated meanings do not explain origins. For my money we have the Russian/Ukrainian  “dub”hypothesis, the one that Prof. Cieslikowa has given a tentative nod to, and the competing German “dubel-dobel” hypothesis.

PLACE NAMES 

We should not overlook the toponymic possibilities. These refer to actual places which might have been the source of the name, though not necessarily. It might have been that people with the name Dubiel simply settled there. There are two places in Poland called Duble (both in the former Austrian Galicia), and the village of Dublany in the extreme northeastern Podlasie area. (Thanks to Robert Strybel, the "Pol-Am Answerman.")

Add to this the existence of a small town in the extreme northwestern corner of Poland. Its name is, simply, Dubiel. Check the link for details. The presence of the town in this location adds credibility to the German origins of the name hypothesis. But it is important to keep in mind that our ancestors---whatever our name might be---often migrated  great distances. The existence of the name Dubiel throughout Poland attests to this practice.

http://www.fallingrain.com/world/PL/30/Dubiel.html

So, concerning the origin of the name, ladies and gentlemen, place your bets.

As if this isn’t enough, here’s another hypothesis to mull over…